Well, so far I'm only optimistic for gold, I'm just hoping my abject despair about VTR is a sign that a capitulation, and that MAYBE, just MAYBE bankruptcy isn't the inevitable end-of-the-road for VTR.  Of course, the very fact that I have ANY hope whatsoever about an outcome other than bankruptcy should be taken as a sign that capitulation bottom hasn't occurred and therefore is bearish :)