higher volume, higher price and the key IMO, no real news in a couple months, right on track for any junior to have something coming at this stage of the game, it's logical. The question is, has the news (if any even though it's logical it's about time to have some) been baked in or is there going to be a new floor put in at a higher price yet, they do have revs we just don't know if they are growing Q over Q, I realize that this part of the game has only just begun for VIV, on the road to be a viable stand alone business more time is needed is all.