Isn't that my point..they are not a silver producer at this time. They targetted mid 2012 and now its early 2013 but read the Gustavson report re the 'prospective' first years' prodn over a 5 year LOM...pls let me know if their is a compliant update to this initial non-compliant report. I do not bash. i look for investments and want someone to tell me how this sp is justified eg prodn, costs, prospective cashflows, etc., ? If you tell me I will not call you a pumper!!~! It is so stupid the way some people react to probing you really think SH posters control the market?!