No need to defame anyone. Your point of view is as valid as any here, but I do think a positive outcome in that sense is unlikely, we have all seen the numbers, now we just need to see the pit and capex, if they phase it, they can probaly keep capex below 4B, but it would be remarkable given the peer group, the remarkable part is I made that point a year ago, vette swore they would get it done before the holidays... I wonder what took a year? Actually, I know pretty much.>