inout... it is not a matter of the current share valuation that should be looked at ... and yes that is what is occurring... by many ... retail and larger entitiies... the problem with this view is that most have lost sight of the bigger picture ... because of the length of time between settlements...   ( SH is giving me greif with this morning will not let me hit return to separate thoughts...  so I appologize for that ) ...  Yes granted that things seem lack lustre ... however when I signed up for this play way back in 2000 era ... I knew then I was in for the long haul... I made this part of my portfolio as a key position of my portfolio back then... and even though it no longer is the bulk... I still view this position as a long term ( LONG TERM Position ) ... Granted I can get as frustrated as much as anyone however, with my view of the play ... I am more than happy to let it unfold as I know it can now... JS ... was the one instrumental in that ... and getting it to where it is now .... sure the valuation seems to suck ... however,... for me I am still in the green by a tidy some so I guess I do not have the same perspective as many may have ... however, like those very same folks ... I had to endure my heartache of days gone by... so I can understand to some extent...   I do not see this play as a going concern in anyway anymore...  Yes the valuation is low given what was portrayed in public... however, we all know 2 things for certain... ( death, taxes ) all else is a gamble ... and yes you can hold your cards that are favorable and then you can seemingly have the deck stacked against you... I believe that anyone holding this play currently will be rewarded... in the not to distant future... I will not say to the extent that some numbers are being bantered about over the past number of years however... I believe a while back it will be in the 12 ro 15 dollar range in the long term... I forget the exact number I provided in the past but I think my outside was as high as 18 ... but I see that is as a pie in the sky number .... if all the stars were aligned ... which never really happens... to often so ... I also believe that I stated my numbers were 5 years out at the high end... well we are now approx 6 months from that so ... and I stand by my previous perdictions...     I do not look at this play as super short term gains... unless there was a huge settlement with Apple ... however, I believe that one is going to go to the mat ... I find it hard to believe that in the US that any judge will or would allow it's premier company to take a bath on any court case ... it is my belief they would limit it somewhat to mitigate any real negative impact on such a company ( golden goose ) ... other companies that is somewhat different...  so back to current valuation... one cannot look at the way things are in a short term view... yes there is accumulation ... and there may even be some manipulation to achieve accumalation... so be it... in the longer term as I say ... anyone holding right now will not lose ... unless they bought in when Wilan was super high earlier in this century...   jmho, glta,  ...... WOLF ...... ps again sorry on the format.. cannot be helped...