They certainly are,  the show us the money crowd want proof  fine, nothing wrong with that,  sit watch and wait that is your right, I got np problem with that. But to sick the dogs of manipulation on the share price so that when you get your proof you can leisurely waltz in and pick up a few million shares for a price that you think you should be paying like at a pe of 10 is not gonna happen, lol, even Bay street is not that naive.