so what you are really saying is the pumpers are the optimists and the shorter's are the pessimists, Show us the money whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!  Have a little faith the company can't move to production any faster than it is or it would be. All this risk metric safe investing rethoric is just a smoke screen to further the agenda of the shorters, Orbite should be trading at 30 multiple of next years earnings which is some where around 9 dollars