I doubt we can expect much in share price appreciation until they get close to V. Lake permits and a step closer to production. The markets as a whole are deceptive when it comes to long term valuations. I hold Primero and Collosus Minerals which I am adding. One Primero is a producer, CSI is going into production and that one I expect the share price to double. The same applies to Marathon like you have said and we all have seen Marathon managemant has delivered once before so it's just a waiting game until we see them going into production or perhaps joint venture I don't know what the scenario will be other than waiting to see how V.Lake will operate as several open pit sites and perhaps a mine with X number of years and ounces plus the other holdings. The story still looks go to me.