well loonie usually i am not able to do that many swings in a day. Only on thursday's after the inventory report am i able to pull it off, as you tend to get multiple swings back and fourth right after the repot. But like i mentioned earlier, you have to be paitent and put in a low enought bid, and have faith it will hit. Once in, short trades are the best way to go (10-20 cents on U), (5-10 cents on D), and out. Won't necessarily pick all the right entry and exit points, but usually you do pretty well