that they have never admitted they were wrong from their refusal to believe that there were no forthcoming huge american investor for Ortsbo when at one point it was as plain as day. I have lost money here and I was wrong to invest, so be it . The pumpers like ed, tdot, h+p, cartguy have no credibility. If they believed what they were saying they would mortage evrything and buy , buy, buy . They hae to admit they have been wrong up to now in order to be relevant here, lets see one of them do it.