spec you seem to forget that is was I that said gryphon was overvalued at 30 cents and that the institutions wouldn't touch GGN unless it was at a lower price.  I have never been a big pumper of ggn unless your talking about  the stock under a dime. A stock can be overvalued one day and undervalued the next as the market cap changes and so does the company. A lot of the people in the know that your talking about talked about the future value of Gryphon. Its up to the readers to decipher this and secondly never use a bull board as Due Diligence. I feel for you if you lost money but this should be a learning lesson for you, and you need to internalize your own mistakes and not make them again. Do not blame others for their own investing strategy even though you may have chosen to follow their investing strategy. Good luck.