dogwag, yes I am being conservative ha ha . My estimation is based on what will come out of Bell Creek as the 150,000 onces for 2014 is based on Timmins West only as Tony had mentioned it in a conference call as he and Dan Gagno were answering a question from some individual. Tony stated that for 2014 the 150,000 onces would come from Timmins West 3,000 tpd output and this is what Timmins West will do for us as we have a pipe line of other projects.Therefore there will be a new update later on this year as to what they plan on doing with Bell Creek.They might take there time and get this one developed as they did for Timmins mine.They have done lots of work at Bell Creek and I;m guessing part of the 80,000,000 will be for Bell Creek.There is no doubt in my mind that Bell Creek has way over 2,000,000 onces in that system.I truly believe the 3,000,000 onces is not at all unrealistic, it is just how will they set it up. They will need a new shaft to skip that deep ore but luck has it the present shaft happens to be in the right location and that the ore body doesn't run underneath it. Therefore they could just start from new with most of that infrastructure as it is not presenty operational.This will cost money but hey if there is 3 billion worth of gold down there go for it.Therefore question for u what is your forcast for output from Bell Creek as presently they are minning 500 tpd . GLTAL